A 55-minute podcast episode from KSQD 90.7 FM’s Talk of the Bay program (recorded June 20, 2024) featuring an interview with David Shaw, founder of Santa Cruz Permaculture and co-founder of the UCSC Right Livelihood Center. Shaw discusses his work as a whole systems designer, naturalist, farmer, and educator; the philosophy and practice of permaculture; the 26-acre farm he leases on the San Mateo/Santa Cruz county line; and his research as a UCSC PhD candidate on large-scale ecosystem regeneration and transnational alternative policy solutions.